plenty of all-girl bands like Pony Up in the '90s, and most of them were worse. Lots on K Records, especially—the worse ones, I mean—where cutie-pie feminism too coy to choose sides was met more than halfway by a scene that cherished amateurism as the ultimate in political principle. But while those forebears flaunted their arrested development, this Montreal quartet has quickly outgrown the charming shuffle and wheedle of its 2005 self-titled EP. For sure, this year's "I've never felt more alone/Than when I'm in your arms" is no more mature (or original) a sentiment than last's "Oh Matthew Modine/We want to be your blowjob queen." But as Sarah Moundroukas plinks her pert guitar bits around and between Laura Wills's moody piano runs, and as each of the four small voices finds its individual nook within the oblong harmonies, these acoustic(ish) plaints sound more crisply defined.
More womanly too. Whether they like it or not, Pony Up's sexual segregation implicitly challenges the gender-blending of other Montreal bands like Arcade Fire and the Dears. Yet the lyric sheet reveals little spite, or even blame, directed either inward or outward—just a series of thwarted attempts at communication between the sexes, with all the ordinary frustrations ("I'll wait for you to move/Make the first move/But you never do"), ordinary misperceptions ("Now I only feel good/Why can't you believe?"), and ordinary self-deceptions ("This is me without charm/What possible harm could I do?") Then again, that printed word is an incomplete guide to the sensibility, both low key and minor key, that pulses with sullen, adorable venom throughout. When their voices collide to sing, "You know that I could eat you alive," the shared desire sounds not just vicious and sexy and cute but also deeply sad. The group's tiny tunes and modest fillips are so persistent and resilient, I almost believe that these flimsy devices can keep such post-adolescent melancholy at bay indefinitely. They can't, of course. That's what bands are for, and that's why sometimes they shouldn't have boys in 'em.
2008年7月20日星期日
I JUST WANT TO MAKE LOVE TO YOU
Recorded on January 10, 1964, released in the US on England's Newest Hit Makers in 1964
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I JUST WANT TO MAKE LOVE TO YOU
(Dixon)
I don't want you be no slave
I don't want you work all day
I don't want 'cause I'm sad and blue
I just want to make love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you
I don't want you cook my bread
I don't want you make my bed
I don't want your money too
I just want to make love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you
Well I can tell by the way that you twitch and walk
See by the way that you baby talk
Know by the way that you treat your man
I can love you, baby, till the night train
I don't want you wash my clothes
I don't want you leave the home
I don't want 'cause I'm sad and blue
I just want to make love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you
Yeah
I don't want you wash my clothes
I don't want you leave the home
I don't want 'cause I'm sad and blue
I just want to make love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Sweet love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
I just wanna make love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
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I just, I just want ot make love to you, baby
I just want to make love
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I JUST WANT TO MAKE LOVE TO YOU
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I don't want you be no slave
I don't want you work all day
I don't want 'cause I'm sad and blue
I just want to make love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you
I don't want you cook my bread
I don't want you make my bed
I don't want your money too
I just want to make love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you
Well I can tell by the way that you twitch and walk
See by the way that you baby talk
Know by the way that you treat your man
I can love you, baby, till the night train
I don't want you wash my clothes
I don't want you leave the home
I don't want 'cause I'm sad and blue
I just want to make love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you
Yeah
I don't want you wash my clothes
I don't want you leave the home
I don't want 'cause I'm sad and blue
I just want to make love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Sweet love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
I just wanna make love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you, baby
Love to you
I just, I just want ot make love to you, baby
I just want to make love
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Intimate ways to ask partner to make love
Dear Alice,
I would like to know intimate way of asking for sex, instead of saying, "let's make love." We don't seem to have many phrases in English.
Dear Reader,
It seems that the English language has many more slang terms than intimate phrases to ask for sex. "Sex" can also be interpreted to mean many different things. However, what's intimate to one person may not necessarily be intimate to the next. And, what is said, and how it is said, may vary depending on if you are with a new partner or in a long- term relationship. Some people are turned on when asked, "do you want to do it?" or "do you want to get some nookie?" Others prefer phrases that they consider to be more romantic or sexy, such as asking their partner, "do you want to make love?" or telling him or her, "I want to feel you." Some couples make up their own language to communicate and ask for what they want. Other couples may learn a few phrases in various languages to spice up their sex life, turn one another on, or sound more exotic ?just think of how many languages there are in this world ?try a little French, Italian, Japanese, Turkish, Portuguese, or some Spanish for starters.
Whatever you say, try to be clear. To avoid an uncomfortable situation, it's important that you and your partner communicate specifically about what both of you want, and don't want, to do. Asking permission and getting consent are a vital part of this interaction.
If you are not sure about whether or not there is mutual consent, keep the following in mind:
Consent means two (or more) people deciding together to do the same thing, at the same time, in the same way, with each other.
No means no, maybe means no, and silence is not consent (if you ask someone if s/he wants to have sex and s/he says nothing, that is not consent).
Consent must be given freely and not under pressure. If you convince someone to do something, they may not be freely consenting. Asking for sex is on a spectrum with begging, cajoling, and/or manipulating.
Consent can be withdrawn at any time.
Consent to one sexual behavior does not imply consent to other types of activities.
Perhaps you might say to your partner, "I would really love to _____ (for example, "kiss your ear, breast, thigh? whatever"). Do you want me to?" Or, "It would really turn me on to ______. Would you like to try it?" Being specific with your partner about what you want to do with one another can be erotic and prevent a non-consensual experience, as well as the possibility for disappointment if one partner is thinking of something different from the other.
Alice
I would like to know intimate way of asking for sex, instead of saying, "let's make love." We don't seem to have many phrases in English.
Dear Reader,
It seems that the English language has many more slang terms than intimate phrases to ask for sex. "Sex" can also be interpreted to mean many different things. However, what's intimate to one person may not necessarily be intimate to the next. And, what is said, and how it is said, may vary depending on if you are with a new partner or in a long- term relationship. Some people are turned on when asked, "do you want to do it?" or "do you want to get some nookie?" Others prefer phrases that they consider to be more romantic or sexy, such as asking their partner, "do you want to make love?" or telling him or her, "I want to feel you." Some couples make up their own language to communicate and ask for what they want. Other couples may learn a few phrases in various languages to spice up their sex life, turn one another on, or sound more exotic ?just think of how many languages there are in this world ?try a little French, Italian, Japanese, Turkish, Portuguese, or some Spanish for starters.
Whatever you say, try to be clear. To avoid an uncomfortable situation, it's important that you and your partner communicate specifically about what both of you want, and don't want, to do. Asking permission and getting consent are a vital part of this interaction.
If you are not sure about whether or not there is mutual consent, keep the following in mind:
Consent means two (or more) people deciding together to do the same thing, at the same time, in the same way, with each other.
No means no, maybe means no, and silence is not consent (if you ask someone if s/he wants to have sex and s/he says nothing, that is not consent).
Consent must be given freely and not under pressure. If you convince someone to do something, they may not be freely consenting. Asking for sex is on a spectrum with begging, cajoling, and/or manipulating.
Consent can be withdrawn at any time.
Consent to one sexual behavior does not imply consent to other types of activities.
Perhaps you might say to your partner, "I would really love to _____ (for example, "kiss your ear, breast, thigh? whatever"). Do you want me to?" Or, "It would really turn me on to ______. Would you like to try it?" Being specific with your partner about what you want to do with one another can be erotic and prevent a non-consensual experience, as well as the possibility for disappointment if one partner is thinking of something different from the other.
Alice
How to make love to a ghost
Sunday morning, while dreaming, I began receiving messages from the other world. They covered matters of etiquette when interacting with the dead, and even offered glimpses of what the spirit life is like:
Do not accept food from a ghost.
Do not make love to a ghost, even if she is your wife.
Don’t ask ghosts questions about time. They don’t understand them.
Fill your eyes with tears. That is how a ghost sees.
These messages were conveyed clearly, and with authority. Although I knew their origin, I was not afraid. So matter-of-fact was my acceptance that I began framing what I was learning within a normal workday context. Specifically, I realized that these messages made the perfect Tweets.
For while Twitter may reduce the immense possibilities of communication to single-line banalities of 140 characters or less, it is paradoxically the perfect vehicle for distilling and broadcasting profound, irrational truths, such as those the dead share with us while we dream.
This dream also involved Robert Benchley and so many cartoonish implausibilities that it is possible that the messages I received came only from my own mind. But is that not equally infinite?
(The dream’s plot involved a luxury cruiser, torpedoed in World War II. Benchley, urbane in middle age, piloted a series of unlikely rescue vehicles, including a school bus that somehow managed to navigate the ocean and deftly avoid smacking into large chunks of wreckage. It was night, and raining, and black and white. A young Michael Keaton, who was sometimes a young Jack Nicholson, also played a role in the endless and pungently fraught narrative.)
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Do not accept food from a ghost.
Do not make love to a ghost, even if she is your wife.
Don’t ask ghosts questions about time. They don’t understand them.
Fill your eyes with tears. That is how a ghost sees.
These messages were conveyed clearly, and with authority. Although I knew their origin, I was not afraid. So matter-of-fact was my acceptance that I began framing what I was learning within a normal workday context. Specifically, I realized that these messages made the perfect Tweets.
For while Twitter may reduce the immense possibilities of communication to single-line banalities of 140 characters or less, it is paradoxically the perfect vehicle for distilling and broadcasting profound, irrational truths, such as those the dead share with us while we dream.
This dream also involved Robert Benchley and so many cartoonish implausibilities that it is possible that the messages I received came only from my own mind. But is that not equally infinite?
(The dream’s plot involved a luxury cruiser, torpedoed in World War II. Benchley, urbane in middle age, piloted a series of unlikely rescue vehicles, including a school bus that somehow managed to navigate the ocean and deftly avoid smacking into large chunks of wreckage. It was night, and raining, and black and white. A young Michael Keaton, who was sometimes a young Jack Nicholson, also played a role in the endless and pungently fraught narrative.)
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2008年7月14日星期一
usher wanna make love in this club porody funy
http://www.funny-song-parodies.com This is a really funny song parody that’s a remake of usher’s make love in this club. This is part 1 to the hilarious song parody. The song is called (We Gotta Bring Back The) Mickey Mouse Club. It’s about one die hard MMC fan who wants to bring back the Mickey Mouse Club. The song is sung and written by Nixon Lee. You can read the full lyrics and get free “Mickey Mouse Club”
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Could you make love to your husband every day for a year?
When Charla Muller told her friends what she was giving her husband Brad for his 40th birthday, she was met with a variety of responses - none remotely positive.
One thought she might have been going through a mid-life crisis of her own when she came up with the idea. Another questioned her sanity, and yet another asked bluntly: 'Were you drunk when you thought of this?'
On the eve of Brad's birthday, Charla told him that his present was going to be sex with her every day for a year.
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But what if that makes an undefined ratio?
Interesting read. DW and I were joking that vacation was a good six month supply.
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I do agree with the part about there being time, even when you think there isn't. I am not sure if this is the best way to reprioritize your life, but I guess it probably works for some. Sort of like the way to make time in your life for exercise is to just do it, and tough it out the first couple of weeks until you enjoy it. I guess it's just another thing that you gotta fake it 'til you make it.
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I should perhaps say that if a woman offered me this particular "gift" I'm not sure I would be ready to take her up on it (though twenty-five years ago, I certainly would have thought so...). If she offered sex any time I wanted it for a year, that would be marvelous....but I think every day at my age would start to seem like a bit of a chore. I could be wrong...
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I would love to try this.
That being said, there is no way I want to have sex during my period.
So, if fellatio is considered sex for the purposes of this gift, then, yeah, I'd do it.*
*er, sorry, no pun intended.
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I would love to try this.
That being said, there is no way I want to have sex during my period.
So, if fellatio is considered sex for the purposes of this gift, then, yeah, I'd do it.*
*er, sorry, no pun intended.
Provided that we are talking about all sex (including fellatio) I am pretty sure I have done this. It was every day for at least a year, probably closer to two, back when DH and I were young and in love. It really can be a habit; every night you wash your face, brush your teeth, get into bed, make sure the alarm is set, have sex, then go to sleep. Or you wake up, have sex, brush your teeth, shower, go to work. We stopped the every day part when he was deployed and we were physically unable. And now we are an old, married couple so every day doesn't even sound all that appealing any more.
Having said that, I think that making a plan to do it every day or even thinking about "having" to do it every day would indeed make it into a chore, and it would likely grow old (and possibly cause resentment) well before the year was out.
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Having said that, I think that making a plan to do it every day or even thinking about "having" to do it every day would indeed make it into a chore, and it would likely grow old (and possibly cause resentment) well before the year was out.
It's the "'having' to do it every day part" that I agree with. I do think about wanting to have sex everyday, and I imagine I would be happy having sex every day. Whether or not he would be happy is another story.
I don't usually plan sex, it just happens, or it doesn't, so that would be new and take getting used to.
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And if she's ill one day - what happens then?
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And if she's ill one day - what happens then?
Well, just do it three times a day for a week so you have some sick days in lieu
I have to say, plenty of times i've hit the sack with women and one of us has been ill but it never stopped us. All good in my opinion, keeps the immune systems on their toes, but if you've had dysentery, 'always' leave it another week, always, before you...oh, never mind
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Why is it a 'gift' at all? I'm seriously creeped out at the idea of one person 'giving' another sex as a gift.
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Well, just do it three times a day for a week so you have some sick days in lieu
Or there will be some extra days at the end.
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He should keep the receipt, in case he wants to exchange the gift. Or can he only get store credit? What if he prefers a different size or colour? My God, what if it gets broken in transit? Can he let his friends play with his birthday present?
Ummmm....I think that's all.
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Why is it a 'gift' at all? I'm seriously creeped out at the idea of one person 'giving' another sex as a gift.
This was my thought. Surely sex in a relationship is something you should both enjoy and do as often as makes the both of you happy?
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I bet the guy was thinking "but I wanted a new 1 wood and some nice scotch and that shirt I was looking at the other day..."
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I bet the guy was thinking "but I wanted a new 1 wood and some nice scotch and that shirt I was looking at the other day..."
Not if he's anything like me.
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This was my thought. Surely sex in a relationship is something you should both enjoy and do as often as makes the both of you happy?
That was my thought as well. A 'gift' like that would creep me out at first, but given some thought, it would probably make me reevaluate my relationship.
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I heard a radio interview with the author|gift giver the other day. Some points I remember from it follow.
1) The husband actually rejected the gift at first when it was offered. They had to discuss the concept for a bit and worked out some acceptable 'outs' for situations such as business trips, sick days, etc.
2) They did not actually achieve 365 days of sex. She said after all was said and done she felt they averaged ~25 days a month.
3) The idea of it becoming a chore. She discussed how there where days where one and|or the other would not necessarily feel that up for it, but they would usually do it any way. And they came to the realization that mundane, mechanical sex can still be pretty good sex after all.
4) The over all impression was that they realized that they had let an important part of their relationship slide with the pressures of daily life especially with small children. By making this important they rediscovered this connection. While the year is up and they are no longer strict about every day, they are much more able to make the time for themselves and not let the days in-and-out stress and chores push this to the side.
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This was my thought. Surely sex in a relationship is something you should both enjoy and do as often as makes the both of you happy?
i hate to say it but it sounds like you're not married and don't have kids...
having kids puts a strain on the whole sex thing. there are nights where we're just too tired to do anything, and there are nights where it's just not gonna happen. This happens a lot for the first 3-4 months, (when you don't sleep more than a few hours a night, wake up feed the baby, go back to sleep) after that sex isn't as important... I actually think something like this, brings back the joy to sex, and it's no longer as much of a special occasion thing. kind of like dates.
when you start out in a relationship, you go out a lot, once you have kids, going out is rare, because it's much more of a chore, either you pack up the kid, diaper bag, toys, food, etc. just to go out, and then you have to unpack that when you get where you're going, it's a pain. and because of that, you don't go out as much as you used to. i think a similar gift would be a promise to go out with just the two of you once a week. and it would do a similar boost for the relationship.
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At one point she talks hilariously of wanting to multi-task while having sex - 'I actually wanted to talk to him while we were doing it. I didn't see anything wrong with discussing the babysitter' - but Brad wasn't having any of it.
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This made me think of Rex and Debby. I wonder if they're still visiting Tukwila as often as they were back then.
But how is it a gift to him if she also presumambly enjoys sex?
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If I offered sex with me every day as a gift to a (hypothetical) boyfriend it would be like Homer buying Marge the bowling ball with his name on it . I've had a higher sex drive than any man I've been with, so if she wants this question answered:
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What man wouldn't think that was the best present ever?
I could start her a list.
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i hate to say it but it sounds like you're not married and don't have kids...
having kids puts a strain on the whole sex thing. there are nights where we're just too tired to do anything, and there are nights where it's just not gonna happen. This happens a lot for the first 3-4 months, (when you don't sleep more than a few hours a night, wake up feed the baby, go back to sleep) after that sex isn't as important... I actually think something like this, brings back the joy to sex, and it's no longer as much of a special occasion thing. kind of like dates.
when you start out in a relationship, you go out a lot, once you have kids, going out is rare, because it's much more of a chore, either you pack up the kid, diaper bag, toys, food, etc. just to go out, and then you have to unpack that when you get where you're going, it's a pain. and because of that, you don't go out as much as you used to. i think a similar gift would be a promise to go out with just the two of you once a week. and it would do a similar boost for the relationship.
True about me, but I still don't see this as a "gift". An agreement maybe. We as a couple agree to try and have sex more often, great. I as a wife agree to have sex with you every day, not good. A "gift" like this doesn't magically make the pressures in life go away, doesn't make your wife smell less of baby sick, it just seems to make sex a commodity, something to be gifted.
While I am sure the woman's heart was in the right place a less media version of this would be as a couple they have decided to find more time for each other.
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What I want to know is what is he going to get her for her next birthday?
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But how is it a gift to him if she also presumambly enjoys sex?
Something can be a gift if it's enjoyable to both people...I can take someone out to dinner for her birthday as a gift and enjoy myself.
Unless there's a gift rule I haven't heard about.
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Something can be a gift if it's enjoyable to both people...I can take someone out to dinner for her birthday as a gift and enjoy myself.
Unless there's a gift rule I haven't heard about.
In my house, if there's a DVD set my boyfriend wants, it's usually a fair bet that I want it, too. Gifts can certainly be mutually beneficial.
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True about me, but I still don't see this as a "gift". An agreement maybe. We as a couple agree to try and have sex more often, great. I as a wife agree to have sex with you every day, not good. A "gift" like this doesn't magically make the pressures in life go away, doesn't make your wife smell less of baby sick, it just seems to make sex a commodity, something to be gifted.
While I am sure the woman's heart was in the right place a less media version of this would be as a couple they have decided to find more time for each other.
As I have been thinking about this, I am starting to see the gift in this more and more. Her husband did want to have sex more often, but didn't go after it because he didn't want to pester her. Sex was already a commodity to them because she was constantly wondering if he was doing something just to earn sex points. The gift to me was the de-commodifying of sex. By making it something that they just do, then there wasn't any way to trade for it or to earn extras or to get out of it.
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I don't like the connotation of this being a gift either. It still smacks of "this is something I will do for you no matter how I might feel about it". Even if that's not the way things transpired in this particular household that's certainly how I know I'd look at it if I read this in one of those (and aren't they always aimed at women?) marriage manuals.
Make sure you keep your weight down, don't let yourself "go", always remember whatever HE has to say is ever so much more important than anything you have to say, and most of all make sure you make yourself available to him at all times. Wouldn't want hubby to stray after all
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Something can be a gift if it's enjoyable to both people...I can take someone out to dinner for her birthday as a gift and enjoy myself.
There's also always the double-edged gift of giving your wife some naughty lingerie...
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There's also always the double-edged gift of giving your wife some naughty lingerie...
Personally, I don't see the double-edge to that at all. That's actually a gift the husband is getting himself.
For one of my husband's birthdays I got some sexy outfits - for me to wear. For him.
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I've had a higher sex drive than any man I've been with, so if she wants this question answered...
I'm the same way- I find men always say that they'd like more frequent sex, but they fall into whining when tasked with it.
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It sounds to me as though a great many wives could have sex with their husbands every day, if fellatio is included. Very few, however, could make love to their husbands every day.
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I'm the same way- I find men always say that they'd like more frequent sex, but they fall into whining when tasked with it.
What do you think it's like from our end? We grow up being bombarded with "boys like it, girls don't," and then suddenly we find out everything we've been taught about coping with sex issues is stood on its head.
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I'm the same way- I find men always say that they'd like more frequent sex, but they fall into whining when tasked with it.
I'd have sex every day too.. if I could lie on my back for most of the time
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It sounds to me as though a great many wives could have sex with their husbands every day, if fellatio is included. Very few, however, could make love to their husbands every day.
Far too late to change my earlier post, but let me assure you, the way I perform fellatio, it is classified as making love.
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Far too late to change my earlier post, but let me assure you, the way I perform fellatio, it is classified as making love.
I was about to say something very similar. There are far more ways to "make love" than is what a lot of people immediately think of.
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I'd have sex every day too.. if I could lie on my back for most of the time
Oh no, he didn't! He did not!
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Far too late to change my earlier post, but let me assure you, the way I perform fellatio, it is classified as making love.
I wasn't suggesting that fellatio isn't a form of lovemaking. I only meant that over the course of a year, there would be a few occasions when the sex (of whatever type) didn't quite reach the level of lovemaking.
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I'm the same way- I find men always say that they'd like more frequent sex, but they fall into whining when tasked with it.
While my experience hasn't quite been the opposite, in that the women I've been involved with haven't always said they'd like more frequent sex, the ones who have have (sadly) almost universally either been all talk, or at least had an inflated idea of their sex drive, though I can't really know which.
I've had exactly one partner whose sex drive matched my own - a very much beloved girl I was involved with in college. I still remember that when things escalated to a certain point, we both seemed surprised that the other wanted to continue. And continue we did.
I think she spoiled me, but I'm OK with that.
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Just speaking personally, I'm flexible about the frequency up to a point, but what I think I would like is a woman who took the initiative sexually a reasonable portion of the time. That would tell me it was something she enjoyed, wanted, and/or needed, not just something she put up with.
Geez, but for my age I'm ridiculously inexperienced in this area.
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Funny though - if you think of it the other way, as in, if a husband gave his wife the gift of sex every day for a year.... how different would this conversation be?
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I'm the same way- I find men always say that they'd like more frequent sex, but they fall into whining when tasked with it.
That certainly describes me... in the general case.
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Funny though - if you think of it the other way, as in, if a husband gave his wife the gift of sex every day for a year.... how different would this conversation be?
I'm not sure if it would be all that different. I don't find it such a great gift idea either way, though.
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But what if that makes an undefined ratio?
Interesting read. DW and I were joking that vacation was a good six month supply.
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I do agree with the part about there being time, even when you think there isn't. I am not sure if this is the best way to reprioritize your life, but I guess it probably works for some. Sort of like the way to make time in your life for exercise is to just do it, and tough it out the first couple of weeks until you enjoy it. I guess it's just another thing that you gotta fake it 'til you make it.
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I should perhaps say that if a woman offered me this particular "gift" I'm not sure I would be ready to take her up on it (though twenty-five years ago, I certainly would have thought so...). If she offered sex any time I wanted it for a year, that would be marvelous....but I think every day at my age would start to seem like a bit of a chore. I could be wrong...
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I would love to try this.
That being said, there is no way I want to have sex during my period.
So, if fellatio is considered sex for the purposes of this gift, then, yeah, I'd do it.*
*er, sorry, no pun intended.
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I would love to try this.
That being said, there is no way I want to have sex during my period.
So, if fellatio is considered sex for the purposes of this gift, then, yeah, I'd do it.*
*er, sorry, no pun intended.
Provided that we are talking about all sex (including fellatio) I am pretty sure I have done this. It was every day for at least a year, probably closer to two, back when DH and I were young and in love. It really can be a habit; every night you wash your face, brush your teeth, get into bed, make sure the alarm is set, have sex, then go to sleep. Or you wake up, have sex, brush your teeth, shower, go to work. We stopped the every day part when he was deployed and we were physically unable. And now we are an old, married couple so every day doesn't even sound all that appealing any more.
Having said that, I think that making a plan to do it every day or even thinking about "having" to do it every day would indeed make it into a chore, and it would likely grow old (and possibly cause resentment) well before the year was out.
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Having said that, I think that making a plan to do it every day or even thinking about "having" to do it every day would indeed make it into a chore, and it would likely grow old (and possibly cause resentment) well before the year was out.
It's the "'having' to do it every day part" that I agree with. I do think about wanting to have sex everyday, and I imagine I would be happy having sex every day. Whether or not he would be happy is another story.
I don't usually plan sex, it just happens, or it doesn't, so that would be new and take getting used to.
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And if she's ill one day - what happens then?
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And if she's ill one day - what happens then?
Well, just do it three times a day for a week so you have some sick days in lieu
I have to say, plenty of times i've hit the sack with women and one of us has been ill but it never stopped us. All good in my opinion, keeps the immune systems on their toes, but if you've had dysentery, 'always' leave it another week, always, before you...oh, never mind
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Why is it a 'gift' at all? I'm seriously creeped out at the idea of one person 'giving' another sex as a gift.
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Well, just do it three times a day for a week so you have some sick days in lieu
Or there will be some extra days at the end.
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He should keep the receipt, in case he wants to exchange the gift. Or can he only get store credit? What if he prefers a different size or colour? My God, what if it gets broken in transit? Can he let his friends play with his birthday present?
Ummmm....I think that's all.
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Why is it a 'gift' at all? I'm seriously creeped out at the idea of one person 'giving' another sex as a gift.
This was my thought. Surely sex in a relationship is something you should both enjoy and do as often as makes the both of you happy?
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I bet the guy was thinking "but I wanted a new 1 wood and some nice scotch and that shirt I was looking at the other day..."
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I bet the guy was thinking "but I wanted a new 1 wood and some nice scotch and that shirt I was looking at the other day..."
Not if he's anything like me.
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This was my thought. Surely sex in a relationship is something you should both enjoy and do as often as makes the both of you happy?
That was my thought as well. A 'gift' like that would creep me out at first, but given some thought, it would probably make me reevaluate my relationship.
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I heard a radio interview with the author|gift giver the other day. Some points I remember from it follow.
1) The husband actually rejected the gift at first when it was offered. They had to discuss the concept for a bit and worked out some acceptable 'outs' for situations such as business trips, sick days, etc.
2) They did not actually achieve 365 days of sex. She said after all was said and done she felt they averaged ~25 days a month.
3) The idea of it becoming a chore. She discussed how there where days where one and|or the other would not necessarily feel that up for it, but they would usually do it any way. And they came to the realization that mundane, mechanical sex can still be pretty good sex after all.
4) The over all impression was that they realized that they had let an important part of their relationship slide with the pressures of daily life especially with small children. By making this important they rediscovered this connection. While the year is up and they are no longer strict about every day, they are much more able to make the time for themselves and not let the days in-and-out stress and chores push this to the side.
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This was my thought. Surely sex in a relationship is something you should both enjoy and do as often as makes the both of you happy?
i hate to say it but it sounds like you're not married and don't have kids...
having kids puts a strain on the whole sex thing. there are nights where we're just too tired to do anything, and there are nights where it's just not gonna happen. This happens a lot for the first 3-4 months, (when you don't sleep more than a few hours a night, wake up feed the baby, go back to sleep) after that sex isn't as important... I actually think something like this, brings back the joy to sex, and it's no longer as much of a special occasion thing. kind of like dates.
when you start out in a relationship, you go out a lot, once you have kids, going out is rare, because it's much more of a chore, either you pack up the kid, diaper bag, toys, food, etc. just to go out, and then you have to unpack that when you get where you're going, it's a pain. and because of that, you don't go out as much as you used to. i think a similar gift would be a promise to go out with just the two of you once a week. and it would do a similar boost for the relationship.
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This made me think of Rex and Debby. I wonder if they're still visiting Tukwila as often as they were back then.
But how is it a gift to him if she also presumambly enjoys sex?
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If I offered sex with me every day as a gift to a (hypothetical) boyfriend it would be like Homer buying Marge the bowling ball with his name on it . I've had a higher sex drive than any man I've been with, so if she wants this question answered:
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i hate to say it but it sounds like you're not married and don't have kids...
having kids puts a strain on the whole sex thing. there are nights where we're just too tired to do anything, and there are nights where it's just not gonna happen. This happens a lot for the first 3-4 months, (when you don't sleep more than a few hours a night, wake up feed the baby, go back to sleep) after that sex isn't as important... I actually think something like this, brings back the joy to sex, and it's no longer as much of a special occasion thing. kind of like dates.
when you start out in a relationship, you go out a lot, once you have kids, going out is rare, because it's much more of a chore, either you pack up the kid, diaper bag, toys, food, etc. just to go out, and then you have to unpack that when you get where you're going, it's a pain. and because of that, you don't go out as much as you used to. i think a similar gift would be a promise to go out with just the two of you once a week. and it would do a similar boost for the relationship.
True about me, but I still don't see this as a "gift". An agreement maybe. We as a couple agree to try and have sex more often, great. I as a wife agree to have sex with you every day, not good. A "gift" like this doesn't magically make the pressures in life go away, doesn't make your wife smell less of baby sick, it just seems to make sex a commodity, something to be gifted.
While I am sure the woman's heart was in the right place a less media version of this would be as a couple they have decided to find more time for each other.
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But how is it a gift to him if she also presumambly enjoys sex?
Something can be a gift if it's enjoyable to both people...I can take someone out to dinner for her birthday as a gift and enjoy myself.
Unless there's a gift rule I haven't heard about.
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Something can be a gift if it's enjoyable to both people...I can take someone out to dinner for her birthday as a gift and enjoy myself.
Unless there's a gift rule I haven't heard about.
In my house, if there's a DVD set my boyfriend wants, it's usually a fair bet that I want it, too. Gifts can certainly be mutually beneficial.
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True about me, but I still don't see this as a "gift". An agreement maybe. We as a couple agree to try and have sex more often, great. I as a wife agree to have sex with you every day, not good. A "gift" like this doesn't magically make the pressures in life go away, doesn't make your wife smell less of baby sick, it just seems to make sex a commodity, something to be gifted.
While I am sure the woman's heart was in the right place a less media version of this would be as a couple they have decided to find more time for each other.
As I have been thinking about this, I am starting to see the gift in this more and more. Her husband did want to have sex more often, but didn't go after it because he didn't want to pester her. Sex was already a commodity to them because she was constantly wondering if he was doing something just to earn sex points. The gift to me was the de-commodifying of sex. By making it something that they just do, then there wasn't any way to trade for it or to earn extras or to get out of it.
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I don't like the connotation of this being a gift either. It still smacks of "this is something I will do for you no matter how I might feel about it". Even if that's not the way things transpired in this particular household that's certainly how I know I'd look at it if I read this in one of those (and aren't they always aimed at women?) marriage manuals.
Make sure you keep your weight down, don't let yourself "go", always remember whatever HE has to say is ever so much more important than anything you have to say, and most of all make sure you make yourself available to him at all times. Wouldn't want hubby to stray after all
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Something can be a gift if it's enjoyable to both people...I can take someone out to dinner for her birthday as a gift and enjoy myself.
There's also always the double-edged gift of giving your wife some naughty lingerie...
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There's also always the double-edged gift of giving your wife some naughty lingerie...
Personally, I don't see the double-edge to that at all. That's actually a gift the husband is getting himself.
For one of my husband's birthdays I got some sexy outfits - for me to wear. For him.
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I've had a higher sex drive than any man I've been with, so if she wants this question answered...
I'm the same way- I find men always say that they'd like more frequent sex, but they fall into whining when tasked with it.
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It sounds to me as though a great many wives could have sex with their husbands every day, if fellatio is included. Very few, however, could make love to their husbands every day.
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I'm the same way- I find men always say that they'd like more frequent sex, but they fall into whining when tasked with it.
What do you think it's like from our end? We grow up being bombarded with "boys like it, girls don't," and then suddenly we find out everything we've been taught about coping with sex issues is stood on its head.
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I'm the same way- I find men always say that they'd like more frequent sex, but they fall into whining when tasked with it.
I'd have sex every day too.. if I could lie on my back for most of the time
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It sounds to me as though a great many wives could have sex with their husbands every day, if fellatio is included. Very few, however, could make love to their husbands every day.
Far too late to change my earlier post, but let me assure you, the way I perform fellatio, it is classified as making love.
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Far too late to change my earlier post, but let me assure you, the way I perform fellatio, it is classified as making love.
I was about to say something very similar. There are far more ways to "make love" than is what a lot of people immediately think of.
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I'd have sex every day too.. if I could lie on my back for most of the time
Oh no, he didn't! He did not!
And oh, be careful what you wish for. I might have to send a PM to Mrs. Jay...
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Far too late to change my earlier post, but let me assure you, the way I perform fellatio, it is classified as making love.
I wasn't suggesting that fellatio isn't a form of lovemaking. I only meant that over the course of a year, there would be a few occasions when the sex (of whatever type) didn't quite reach the level of lovemaking.
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I'm the same way- I find men always say that they'd like more frequent sex, but they fall into whining when tasked with it.
While my experience hasn't quite been the opposite, in that the women I've been involved with haven't always said they'd like more frequent sex, the ones who have have (sadly) almost universally either been all talk, or at least had an inflated idea of their sex drive, though I can't really know which.
I've had exactly one partner whose sex drive matched my own - a very much beloved girl I was involved with in college. I still remember that when things escalated to a certain point, we both seemed surprised that the other wanted to continue. And continue we did.
I think she spoiled me, but I'm OK with that.
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Just speaking personally, I'm flexible about the frequency up to a point, but what I think I would like is a woman who took the initiative sexually a reasonable portion of the time. That would tell me it was something she enjoyed, wanted, and/or needed, not just something she put up with.
Geez, but for my age I'm ridiculously inexperienced in this area.
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Funny though - if you think of it the other way, as in, if a husband gave his wife the gift of sex every day for a year.... how different would this conversation be?
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I'm the same way- I find men always say that they'd like more frequent sex, but they fall into whining when tasked with it.
That certainly describes me... in the general case.
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Funny though - if you think of it the other way, as in, if a husband gave his wife the gift of sex every day for a year.... how different would this conversation be?
I'm not sure if it would be all that different. I don't find it such a great gift idea either way, though.
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A whirlwind tour of the sexual revolution in America, Make Love, Not War grew from the author's fascination with a bygone period of rebellion and experimentation whose effects linger throughout the culture. Born in 1969, David Allyn remembers "growing up with the vague sense of having missed something magical and mysterious. I remember the adolescent's agony of realizing that my parents and teachers had witnessed extraordinary social transformations, the likes of which we might never see again." Allyn's zest for his subject, and his dewy-eyed admiration of the sexual pioneers of the '60s and '70s, make him a pleasure to read, although the topic may be too large for a book of this size. There is little space to put subjects like public nudity, the demise of censorship, and the challenge to miscegenation laws into historical context. The author's more detailed discussions fare better, and he offers engaging new source material--in many cases from his own interviews--on open marriage, the joys of the Pill, gay liberation, and the sexual double standard. Although an advocate for sexual freedom, Allyn notes the paradox that "perhaps, in the end, shining the light of liberation into every dark corner of daily life has made it more difficult to indulge in some sexual pleasures spontaneously and unself-consciously." We may now feel an urge to define ourselves sexually at a young age, he argues, missing out on the thrill of the forbidden, and the chance to just fool around. --Regina Marler
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Successfully treading the fine line between a serious chronicle and sensationalism in his account of the sexual revolution of the 1960s and '70s in the U.S., Princeton historian Allyn mixes a smooth narrative of events (e.g., the legalization of birth control, abortion and interracial marriage), the famous (Hugh Hefner, Masters and Johnson) and not so famous (Jeff Poland of the Sexual Freedom League), with occasional analytic excursions into dramatic changes in society and individual lives. The book ranges widely, from Helen Gurley Brown's packaging of sexual liberalism in Sex and the Single Girl to novels promoting sexual utopias (i.e., The Harrad Experiment), the decline of the college policy of in loco parentis, the uses of sexual liberation by suburban swingers and political radicals like the Weathermen, and the commercialization of sex. Based on interviews with participants in these activities (including such figures as Barney Rosset, Rita Mae Brown and Andrea Dworkin, as well as ordinary people), and materials from the period, Allyn ascribes full credit to feminism and gay liberation for social changes that touched almost all Americans. Readers who lived through these heady events will appreciate his fresh perspective, while those of his generation (he was born in 1969) may be amazed to learn, for example, that birth control was illegal in many states as late as 1965. Allyn's broad sweep occasionally gives short shrift to historical background in areas like birth control or obscenity in literature. And he falters badly in his final chapter, virtually ignoring the feminist defense of sexual freedom and putting too much emphasis on the coalition of antipornography feminists and the religious right in his recounting of the decline of sexual liberation. Overall, though, Allyn's work is as exuberant and expansive as the movement he observes. 8 pages of photos not seen by PW. (Mar.)
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A whirlwind tour of the sexual revolution in America, Make Love, Not War grew from the author's fascination with a bygone period of rebellion and experimentation whose effects linger throughout the culture. Born in 1969, David Allyn remembers "growing up with the vague sense of having missed something magical and mysterious. I remember the adolescent's agony of realizing that my parents and teachers had witnessed extraordinary social transformations, the likes of which we might never see again." Allyn's zest for his subject, and his dewy-eyed admiration of the sexual pioneers of the '60s and '70s, make him a pleasure to read, although the topic may be too large for a book of this size. There is little space to put subjects like public nudity, the demise of censorship, and the challenge to miscegenation laws into historical context. The author's more detailed discussions fare better, and he offers engaging new source material--in many cases from his own interviews--on open marriage, the joys of the Pill, gay liberation, and the sexual double standard. Although an advocate for sexual freedom, Allyn notes the paradox that "perhaps, in the end, shining the light of liberation into every dark corner of daily life has made it more difficult to indulge in some sexual pleasures spontaneously and unself-consciously." We may now feel an urge to define ourselves sexually at a young age, he argues, missing out on the thrill of the forbidden, and the chance to just fool around. --Regina Marler
From Publishers Weekly
Successfully treading the fine line between a serious chronicle and sensationalism in his account of the sexual revolution of the 1960s and '70s in the U.S., Princeton historian Allyn mixes a smooth narrative of events (e.g., the legalization of birth control, abortion and interracial marriage), the famous (Hugh Hefner, Masters and Johnson) and not so famous (Jeff Poland of the Sexual Freedom League), with occasional analytic excursions into dramatic changes in society and individual lives. The book ranges widely, from Helen Gurley Brown's packaging of sexual liberalism in Sex and the Single Girl to novels promoting sexual utopias (i.e., The Harrad Experiment), the decline of the college policy of in loco parentis, the uses of sexual liberation by suburban swingers and political radicals like the Weathermen, and the commercialization of sex. Based on interviews with participants in these activities (including such figures as Barney Rosset, Rita Mae Brown and Andrea Dworkin, as well as ordinary people), and materials from the period, Allyn ascribes full credit to feminism and gay liberation for social changes that touched almost all Americans. Readers who lived through these heady events will appreciate his fresh perspective, while those of his generation (he was born in 1969) may be amazed to learn, for example, that birth control was illegal in many states as late as 1965. Allyn's broad sweep occasionally gives short shrift to historical background in areas like birth control or obscenity in literature. And he falters badly in his final chapter, virtually ignoring the feminist defense of sexual freedom and putting too much emphasis on the coalition of antipornography feminists and the religious right in his recounting of the decline of sexual liberation. Overall, though, Allyn's work is as exuberant and expansive as the movement he observes. 8 pages of photos not seen by PW. (Mar.)
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This is a press release I thought we might never see: a joint issue from Comcast and BitTorrent, announcing plans to work together to “more effectively address issues associated with rich media content and network capacity management.”
The move comes several weeks after the FCC opened an investigation into Comcast’s policy of filtering traffic to file sharing sites like BitTorrent. Comcast’s policy was first exposed back in October, and has spurred much debate over net neutrality.
Essentially, the release features a kiss-and-make up statement from each company, with Comcast acknowledging the need to give people a choice in what services they access online, while BitTorrent admitted that its service can be a huge bandwidth hog, stating, “While we think there were other management techniques that could have been deployed, weunderstand why Comcast and other ISPs adopted the approach that they did initially.”
Additionally, the two companies state that they will be working with other ISPs and the Internet Engineering Task Force to create p2p solutions that the entire industry can live with.
While for now this is purely a statement of goodwill, it definitely seems like a win for consumers in the long-run.
The move comes several weeks after the FCC opened an investigation into Comcast’s policy of filtering traffic to file sharing sites like BitTorrent. Comcast’s policy was first exposed back in October, and has spurred much debate over net neutrality.
Essentially, the release features a kiss-and-make up statement from each company, with Comcast acknowledging the need to give people a choice in what services they access online, while BitTorrent admitted that its service can be a huge bandwidth hog, stating, “While we think there were other management techniques that could have been deployed, weunderstand why Comcast and other ISPs adopted the approach that they did initially.”
Additionally, the two companies state that they will be working with other ISPs and the Internet Engineering Task Force to create p2p solutions that the entire industry can live with.
While for now this is purely a statement of goodwill, it definitely seems like a win for consumers in the long-run.
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What music can you put on and, looking deep into your lover's eyes, knowing that they know what you're thinking, suddenly, or with much slow luscious foreplay, you're makin' sweet love? There are all sorts of different music for different kinds of sex, but here's a personal selection:
Miles Davis, Kind of Blue
Portishead
Massive Attack, Mezzanine
the sound of rain
Ella Fitzgerald (more of a way to set the mood... then put in some Otis Redding...)
Rolling Stones, "Beast of Burden": very near and dear to my heart
Squarepusher, "Iambic 5 Poetry", from Budakhan Mindphone: damn, such a beautiful piece of music
Aphex Twin: "Xtal", "Tha", and "Heliosphan" from Selected Ambient Works 85-92
Jeff Buckley, Sketches (For My Sweetheart the Drunk) Also, Songs to Make Love To is the name of an EP by Faith No More, whose cover features two rather amorous rhinoceri. Songs on this record are:
"Easy": mmm... brings back memories of high school and a girl named Ashley...
"Das Schutzenfest": it's in German. I speak German, and I have no idea what Mike Patton's saying, except it sounds vaguely dirty.
"Let's Lynch the Landlord": written by Jello Biafra. This song is not like the others. It's still cool.
"Midnight Cowboy": a take on the song from the movie of the same name. No vocals, very chill.
Miles Davis, Kind of Blue
Portishead
Massive Attack, Mezzanine
the sound of rain
Ella Fitzgerald (more of a way to set the mood... then put in some Otis Redding...)
Rolling Stones, "Beast of Burden": very near and dear to my heart
Squarepusher, "Iambic 5 Poetry", from Budakhan Mindphone: damn, such a beautiful piece of music
Aphex Twin: "Xtal", "Tha", and "Heliosphan" from Selected Ambient Works 85-92
Jeff Buckley, Sketches (For My Sweetheart the Drunk) Also, Songs to Make Love To is the name of an EP by Faith No More, whose cover features two rather amorous rhinoceri. Songs on this record are:
"Easy": mmm... brings back memories of high school and a girl named Ashley...
"Das Schutzenfest": it's in German. I speak German, and I have no idea what Mike Patton's saying, except it sounds vaguely dirty.
"Let's Lynch the Landlord": written by Jello Biafra. This song is not like the others. It's still cool.
"Midnight Cowboy": a take on the song from the movie of the same name. No vocals, very chill.
Making Love Last
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By Joan Borysenko, PhD , Joan Borysenko, PhD, is a scientist, psychologist, inspirational speaker, and author of Inner Peace for Busy Women and Inner Peace for Busy People.
My beloved soul mate, Gordon, and I recently got married. You may be thinking something like, "Oh, how fabulous, love is a sweet promise, even at their age." Or maybe you're thinking, "Why would a woman of almost 60 want to get married again? Is she nuts?" Gordon and I laugh about being on the longest, hottest date in history.
But because of past disappointments and hurts, we're more realistic about what it takes to make love work. This time around, we wanted to do more than exchange the lofty, traditional "love, honor, and cherish" vows. We wanted to think through the behaviors that make love a day-by-day reality and create down-to-earth vows to shape and hold our marriage together.
A vow is a statement of intention that's a blueprint for action. It isn't a static statement like "I'll love you forever." Vows are commitments to specific behaviors to practice every day. Whether you're in a relationship or not, thinking about the kind of behaviors that nurture love can help you build a better union. Though it may seem that love is an effortless grace that will last forever, sustaining it takes conscious effort. Here are examples of vows to help you put love into action.
"I vow to not go to bed angry"
After a juicy fight, it's tempting to hole up and nurse your grievances, or at least turn your back on your partner and fall asleep in your own little cocoon of misery. But research from the famous "Love Lab" at the University of Washington suggests that making an overture at reconciliation is a much better plan.
Psychologist John Gottman, PhD, found that a couple's ability to bridge the gap after a squabble is one of the keys to lasting relationship success. And as much as you love one another, there are bound to be times when you get miffed. Even a simple statement such as, "I feel so anxious when we're at odds. How are you doing?" can turn a disagreement around. On the other hand, if you're really at fault, an apology is the best possible bridge between two hearts.
"I vow to keep our romance going--even when I'm not feeling romantic"
My friend Dana was stressed by the toll that motherhood was taking on her marriage. She and her husband, Allen, had been together for 10 years before their daughter was born, and they loved going out to restaurants, movies, and clubs. But when they had Stacey, their priorities shifted.
Like most new parents, they were exhausted and short on funds. Allen felt abandoned because the lion's share of Dana's attention went to the baby. Their romance seemed dead, and he became resentful. Dana vowed to turn things around. So she started the tradition of weekly date nights, where they get a babysitter, go out as a couple, and focus on each other. They're still going strong 10 years later, and she's an inspiration to busy me to put aside one night a week just for Gordon.
By Joan Borysenko, PhD , Joan Borysenko, PhD, is a scientist, psychologist, inspirational speaker, and author of Inner Peace for Busy Women and Inner Peace for Busy People.
My beloved soul mate, Gordon, and I recently got married. You may be thinking something like, "Oh, how fabulous, love is a sweet promise, even at their age." Or maybe you're thinking, "Why would a woman of almost 60 want to get married again? Is she nuts?" Gordon and I laugh about being on the longest, hottest date in history.
But because of past disappointments and hurts, we're more realistic about what it takes to make love work. This time around, we wanted to do more than exchange the lofty, traditional "love, honor, and cherish" vows. We wanted to think through the behaviors that make love a day-by-day reality and create down-to-earth vows to shape and hold our marriage together.
A vow is a statement of intention that's a blueprint for action. It isn't a static statement like "I'll love you forever." Vows are commitments to specific behaviors to practice every day. Whether you're in a relationship or not, thinking about the kind of behaviors that nurture love can help you build a better union. Though it may seem that love is an effortless grace that will last forever, sustaining it takes conscious effort. Here are examples of vows to help you put love into action.
"I vow to not go to bed angry"
After a juicy fight, it's tempting to hole up and nurse your grievances, or at least turn your back on your partner and fall asleep in your own little cocoon of misery. But research from the famous "Love Lab" at the University of Washington suggests that making an overture at reconciliation is a much better plan.
Psychologist John Gottman, PhD, found that a couple's ability to bridge the gap after a squabble is one of the keys to lasting relationship success. And as much as you love one another, there are bound to be times when you get miffed. Even a simple statement such as, "I feel so anxious when we're at odds. How are you doing?" can turn a disagreement around. On the other hand, if you're really at fault, an apology is the best possible bridge between two hearts.
"I vow to keep our romance going--even when I'm not feeling romantic"
My friend Dana was stressed by the toll that motherhood was taking on her marriage. She and her husband, Allen, had been together for 10 years before their daughter was born, and they loved going out to restaurants, movies, and clubs. But when they had Stacey, their priorities shifted.
Like most new parents, they were exhausted and short on funds. Allen felt abandoned because the lion's share of Dana's attention went to the baby. Their romance seemed dead, and he became resentful. Dana vowed to turn things around. So she started the tradition of weekly date nights, where they get a babysitter, go out as a couple, and focus on each other. They're still going strong 10 years later, and she's an inspiration to busy me to put aside one night a week just for Gordon.
Let's Make Love and Listen to Death From Above
CSS - Let's Make Love and Listen to Death From Above
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7agPOt1XZz8
CSS, Sao Paulo Brazil's favorite party rockers, are coming to the US this summer for their first very big very booty shakin' tour of the states to celebrate the July 11th release of their new album Cansei De Ser Sexy (Portugese for "tired of being sexy").
Tags: CSS, Cansei, De, Ser, Sexy, lets, make, love, and, listen, to, death, from, above, sub, pop, subpop, sao, paulo, brazil
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=7agPOt1XZz8
CSS, Sao Paulo Brazil's favorite party rockers, are coming to the US this summer for their first very big very booty shakin' tour of the states to celebrate the July 11th release of their new album Cansei De Ser Sexy (Portugese for "tired of being sexy").
Tags: CSS, Cansei, De, Ser, Sexy, lets, make, love, and, listen, to, death, from, above, sub, pop, subpop, sao, paulo, brazil
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I make love to my own music, admits Usher
R'N'B smoothie Usher has revealed he likes to make love to his own songs.
The singer, who is married to celebrity stylist Tameka Foster, boasted that his music is a fantastic soundtrack for sex sessions.
He said: "Oh yeah, I've made love to a few of my songs. Love You Gently is one of my favourites.
Rather you than us, Tameka.
However, Justin Timberlake says he struggles to get a rhythm going with his lady friend, Jessica Biel, if there is a musical background to their lovemaking.
He said: "I have trouble having sex to music because I start picking out the chords."
The singer, who is married to celebrity stylist Tameka Foster, boasted that his music is a fantastic soundtrack for sex sessions.
He said: "Oh yeah, I've made love to a few of my songs. Love You Gently is one of my favourites.
Rather you than us, Tameka.
However, Justin Timberlake says he struggles to get a rhythm going with his lady friend, Jessica Biel, if there is a musical background to their lovemaking.
He said: "I have trouble having sex to music because I start picking out the chords."
Alabama, When We Make Love Lyrics
There's a light in your eyes tonight
You know I'd know that look anywhere
You've got plans and I'm one lucky man
Before we get so carried away
There's just something I've been wanting to say
When we make love
It's more to me than just an affair
I want you to know how much I care
When we make love
Oh it's such a precious time
We share our hearts, our souls, and our minds
When we make love
Watching you make your little moves
I can tell it's gonna be a long night
All day long, we keep holding on
It couldn't be any better than this
I got it all at my fingertips
When we make love
It's more to me than just an affair
I want you to know how much I care
When we make love
Oh it's such a precious time
We share our hearts, our souls, and our minds
When we make love
These moments.....these feelings.......Mmmmmmm
When we make love
It's more to me than just an affair
I want you to know how much I care
When we make love
Oh it's such a precious time
We share our hearts, our souls, and our minds
When we make love
Now let's make love......Sweet love
You know I'd know that look anywhere
You've got plans and I'm one lucky man
Before we get so carried away
There's just something I've been wanting to say
When we make love
It's more to me than just an affair
I want you to know how much I care
When we make love
Oh it's such a precious time
We share our hearts, our souls, and our minds
When we make love
Watching you make your little moves
I can tell it's gonna be a long night
All day long, we keep holding on
It couldn't be any better than this
I got it all at my fingertips
When we make love
It's more to me than just an affair
I want you to know how much I care
When we make love
Oh it's such a precious time
We share our hearts, our souls, and our minds
When we make love
These moments.....these feelings.......Mmmmmmm
When we make love
It's more to me than just an affair
I want you to know how much I care
When we make love
Oh it's such a precious time
We share our hearts, our souls, and our minds
When we make love
Now let's make love......Sweet love
lets make love Duets
From: atomic1, New York
Creation: lets make love Duets
2008-7-7
Fantastic Job U2. Sounds great !! 5s A.J. Reply >
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From: MsMila, Illinois
Creation: lets make love Duets
2008-7-6
Moe this was a beautiful sing hun..Enjoyed my listen here..*****S for you..Hugz Mila Reply >
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From: ldytx007, Texas
Creation: lets make love Duets
2008-7-6
Moe that was terrific 5's ....Jan Reply >
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From: ladybutterflykiss, Texas
Creation: lets make love Duets
2008-7-6
Aww beautiful duet guys!! Fantastic singing to a great song! Hugs claud Reply >
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From: mandyh1968, United Kingdom
Creation: lets make love Duets
2008-7-6
This is beautiful Im loving it both tc Mandy xxx
http://thesimsonstage.ea.com/textAudioPlay.html?performanceId=gdIVkYIaEXM%3D&categoryId=135&play=Y
Creation: lets make love Duets
2008-7-7
Fantastic Job U2. Sounds great !! 5s A.J. Reply >
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From: MsMila, Illinois
Creation: lets make love Duets
2008-7-6
Moe this was a beautiful sing hun..Enjoyed my listen here..*****S for you..Hugz Mila Reply >
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From: ldytx007, Texas
Creation: lets make love Duets
2008-7-6
Moe that was terrific 5's ....Jan Reply >
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From: ladybutterflykiss, Texas
Creation: lets make love Duets
2008-7-6
Aww beautiful duet guys!! Fantastic singing to a great song! Hugs claud Reply >
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From: mandyh1968, United Kingdom
Creation: lets make love Duets
2008-7-6
This is beautiful Im loving it both tc Mandy xxx
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Lycos Europe: 'Make love not spam'
In a new take on fighting spam, Web portal Lycos Europe has launched a screensaver designed to bombard Web sites promoted in unsolicited e-mail.
The effort, dubbed "Make love not spam," will officially launch on Wednesday and will center around the screensaver, which the company has designed to overload Web sites advertised via spam. Lycos Europe is a separate company from the Web portal that bears the Lycos name in the United States. Lycos Europe claims that it currently maintains roughly 40 million e-mail accounts across eight European countries.
Under the plan, when a URL already listed on Lycos Europe's spam blacklist is mentioned in e-mail sent to someone using the screensaver, the tool automatically and repeatedly requests data from the site in question. The idea is that when a large number of the screensavers send requests to the same page at the same time, those sites' performance will suffer greatly.
A graphic on the Lycos Europe site advertises the ability of its customers to "annoy a spammer now!"
Lycos Europe contends that the technology will create logistical problems for spammers. While the company said it does not intend to disable any site completely, it believes that it can overload sites based on the volume of spam created to advertise them. The company said the screensaver system uses an automated "health check" feature to ensure that its data requests never render any site completely inoperable.
The effort, dubbed "Make love not spam," will officially launch on Wednesday and will center around the screensaver, which the company has designed to overload Web sites advertised via spam. Lycos Europe is a separate company from the Web portal that bears the Lycos name in the United States. Lycos Europe claims that it currently maintains roughly 40 million e-mail accounts across eight European countries.
Under the plan, when a URL already listed on Lycos Europe's spam blacklist is mentioned in e-mail sent to someone using the screensaver, the tool automatically and repeatedly requests data from the site in question. The idea is that when a large number of the screensavers send requests to the same page at the same time, those sites' performance will suffer greatly.
A graphic on the Lycos Europe site advertises the ability of its customers to "annoy a spammer now!"
Lycos Europe contends that the technology will create logistical problems for spammers. While the company said it does not intend to disable any site completely, it believes that it can overload sites based on the volume of spam created to advertise them. The company said the screensaver system uses an automated "health check" feature to ensure that its data requests never render any site completely inoperable.
Dawute: 'I'm going to make love to you'
During the course of a 90-minute meeting with James Dawute, a chief immigration officer with the IND based at Lunar House in Croydon, Tanya was wearing a concealed microphone and hidden camera. The tape is in parts inaudible and the picture is sometimes obscured.
Dawute starts by telling Tanya that he is taking her out for the evening with some friends.
Tanya: What about your wife? I'm scared.
Dawute: Don't worry.
Initially, Dawute asks to see a statement he told Tanya to bring, detailing her case. He claims that he will ensure the statement is placed in Tanya's file - something that would assist her asylum claim.
Tanya: So if you get that statement would you be able to put it into my file?
Dawute: Yeah.
Tanya: That's fine then... Won't they think it's suspicious? I fear you will get into trouble.
Dawute: No.
Tanya: Obviously you might not be interested in having sex with me. You just want a relationship with me - that's totally fine with me. Are you able to sort me out? When I last spoke to you, you said you could handle things for me.
Dawute: I can handle it, don't worry.
Tanya: Just so long as I have your guarantee.
She recalls how two female officials were involved in vetting her once inside Lunar House.
Tanya: Why were they fighting to do it?
Dawute: 'Cause it's me.
Tanya: 'Cause you had said so?
Dawute: I am the king.
Tanya is still unsure that Dawute can deliver on his earlier promises - made during her first visit to Lunar House - to help her with her claim. She seeks reassurance on why she should go to a hotel room with him.
Tanya: You didn't answer my final question [ie, how he could guarantee to help her].
Dawute: I will tell you when we are alone. Because you are going to have sex.
Tanya is still reluctant to agree.
Tanya: I can't go through with it until you guarantee you'll do something for me. 'Cause you could [inaudible].
Dawute: Do you trust me?
Tanya: That's the thing. I am not just one of those girls you know...
Dawute: I'm very honest and I keep my word...
Tanya: That you are going to sort something out... It's not easy for me to jump in with another man.
Dawute: I want to make you my wife.
Tanya: You want to make me your wife? Do you want to make me your wife?
Dawute: That's why I want you to leave Birmingham. My people will come to where you live.
Tanya: Why?
Dawute: So they keep an eye on you.
Tanya: Why should they keep an eye on me? ... How are you going to know where I live?
Dawute: As soon as I push in a disc in the system. [inaudible] you can tell me.
Tanya: No, 'cause you want to send your relatives to check up on me.
Dawute: I want to make sure you are safe.
Tanya: I'm safe already. You are the one making me feel unsafe 'cause you are trying to take me to a hotel and I don't know what you are going to do to me.
Dawute: I'm going to tell you.
Tanya: What intention do you have?
Dawute: I'm going to make love to you.
Tanya: If that's what you want, you had better guarantee that everything goes well.
Dawute: OK.
Tanya: Are you guaranteeing that?
Dawute: Why do you ask so many questions?
Tanya: 'Cause I've been abused so many times.
Dawute: It's nice talking to you. I want to go to bed with you.
Tanya: What guarantee do I have you are going to do what you said you would do?
Dawute: Why don't you trust me?
Tanya: I'm not going to walk into... that's why I want to know [inaudible].
Dawute: Are you saying that's a precondition?
Tanya: No it's not a precondition, it's just that I need to know.
Dawute: I will do my best to make sure that you are OK.
Tanya: But would that not get you into trouble? I'm concerned about you as well.
Dawute: You keep on having that concern. I know how to win your case.
Dawute starts by telling Tanya that he is taking her out for the evening with some friends.
Tanya: What about your wife? I'm scared.
Dawute: Don't worry.
Initially, Dawute asks to see a statement he told Tanya to bring, detailing her case. He claims that he will ensure the statement is placed in Tanya's file - something that would assist her asylum claim.
Tanya: So if you get that statement would you be able to put it into my file?
Dawute: Yeah.
Tanya: That's fine then... Won't they think it's suspicious? I fear you will get into trouble.
Dawute: No.
Tanya: Obviously you might not be interested in having sex with me. You just want a relationship with me - that's totally fine with me. Are you able to sort me out? When I last spoke to you, you said you could handle things for me.
Dawute: I can handle it, don't worry.
Tanya: Just so long as I have your guarantee.
She recalls how two female officials were involved in vetting her once inside Lunar House.
Tanya: Why were they fighting to do it?
Dawute: 'Cause it's me.
Tanya: 'Cause you had said so?
Dawute: I am the king.
Tanya is still unsure that Dawute can deliver on his earlier promises - made during her first visit to Lunar House - to help her with her claim. She seeks reassurance on why she should go to a hotel room with him.
Tanya: You didn't answer my final question [ie, how he could guarantee to help her].
Dawute: I will tell you when we are alone. Because you are going to have sex.
Tanya is still reluctant to agree.
Tanya: I can't go through with it until you guarantee you'll do something for me. 'Cause you could [inaudible].
Dawute: Do you trust me?
Tanya: That's the thing. I am not just one of those girls you know...
Dawute: I'm very honest and I keep my word...
Tanya: That you are going to sort something out... It's not easy for me to jump in with another man.
Dawute: I want to make you my wife.
Tanya: You want to make me your wife? Do you want to make me your wife?
Dawute: That's why I want you to leave Birmingham. My people will come to where you live.
Tanya: Why?
Dawute: So they keep an eye on you.
Tanya: Why should they keep an eye on me? ... How are you going to know where I live?
Dawute: As soon as I push in a disc in the system. [inaudible] you can tell me.
Tanya: No, 'cause you want to send your relatives to check up on me.
Dawute: I want to make sure you are safe.
Tanya: I'm safe already. You are the one making me feel unsafe 'cause you are trying to take me to a hotel and I don't know what you are going to do to me.
Dawute: I'm going to tell you.
Tanya: What intention do you have?
Dawute: I'm going to make love to you.
Tanya: If that's what you want, you had better guarantee that everything goes well.
Dawute: OK.
Tanya: Are you guaranteeing that?
Dawute: Why do you ask so many questions?
Tanya: 'Cause I've been abused so many times.
Dawute: It's nice talking to you. I want to go to bed with you.
Tanya: What guarantee do I have you are going to do what you said you would do?
Dawute: Why don't you trust me?
Tanya: I'm not going to walk into... that's why I want to know [inaudible].
Dawute: Are you saying that's a precondition?
Tanya: No it's not a precondition, it's just that I need to know.
Dawute: I will do my best to make sure that you are OK.
Tanya: But would that not get you into trouble? I'm concerned about you as well.
Dawute: You keep on having that concern. I know how to win your case.
Make Love not War
Streit ist für Andi und Candy kein Thema. In ihrer ultraharmonischen Beziehung wird alles ganz gerecht geteilt und Aggressionen können erst gar nicht aufkommen. Eine gute Ausrüstung vorausgesetzt.
There are no arguments whatsoever between Andi and Candy. In their overly harmonious relationship simply everything is shared between them. So remember: There is no room for aggression as long as one is properly equipped.
make love not war
Capturing the bear, (by tradition we in Sweden fear the Russian bear)
the Brave
There's always a bigger gun
Stalemate
Make Love To Your Husband Every Day
Make Love To Your Husband Every Day
Women – Their husbands will love them for it, and women might just find that they love themselves that little bit more, too. If they let themselves.
Tags: make love, love them, making love, love making, made love
Women – Their husbands will love them for it, and women might just find that they love themselves that little bit more, too. If they let themselves.
Tags: make love, love them, making love, love making, made love
music to make love to your old lady by
All the songs here were written by the trio of Dan The Automator, Mike Patton (Faith No More, Mr. Bungle) & Jennifer Charles (Elysian Fields). The sole exception is a cover version of Sex (I'm A) written by John Crawford, David Diamond and Terri Nunn of Berlin (Geffen). Each offering is far closer to performance art than straight presentation.
Nakamura wields samples, beats and scratches as if he were conducting the London Symphony Orchestra. Take for example the track Anger Management, which blends romantic strings and piano with Tom Jones styled vocals "…in all my dreams, I never thought I'd see a face that could launch a thousand ships… why must God punish me," and an Endless Summer/Summer of '42 refrain. Trust me, it works, "And can't you see, we could have had it all."
Everyone Has A Summer (they want to remember) features Kid Koala on the decks scratching masterfully to enhance, not over power. Sampled sound bytes from a Hollywood gone by, hip-hop breaks and subtle harmonica accompaniment set a mood that is both whimsical and entrancing.
In former times, lovage cordial was a popular drink with country people, who took it for sore throats. It is noted that John Gerarde, who wrote his Herbal in1597, considered lovage to be one of the wonder drugs at that time.
Book Of The Month: anyone who has ever been lucky enough to see the cult-classic movie Manhunter - the first in the Hannibal Lecter/Silence of the Lambs trilogy will remember the haunting scene where the troubled loner, antagonist Francis Dollarhyde (Tom Noonan) lies in bed with Reba McClane (Joan Allen). Reba is asleep with her arm embracing Dollarhyde after their night of intimacy, the scene is one of the best from the movie first because of its emotional impact (Dollarhyde has never known intimacy, hence his psychopathic search for love) and secondly because of the superb soundtrack.
Dollarhyde lies awake and taking Reba's hand, covers his mouth with it as tears well up in his eyes. He begins to sob: someone has finally shown him love. As the scene unfolds the musical score adds to the melodrama so effectively that even though Dollarhyde is a serial killer, there is so much sympathy evoked that it would be almost tempting to forgive him of his crimes. He just wants to be loved. Book of the Month nails it with the same chilling effect.
Lovage can be grown in a container. Make sure you keep it trimmed. Lovage, brandy and sugar settle an upset stomach…
Strangers On A Train: What can you say about a song that evokes a visual journey of a trans-European train trip set in a black & white movie? Jennifer Charles is at her best as the sultry traveler who introduces herself with "Pardon me sir, is this seat taken?" And then follows with "You are very charming sir… The stiff one is my specialty."
Add to this a very competent cover of Berlin's Sex (I'm A), the soothing strings of Koala's Lament and the darkly erotic, gothic Archie & Veronica, "Flowers from the grave (I never loved you)… little buttercups and wild daisies by the lily pond remember baby…" "Sitting on a cold slab, feeling my warm stab, you know I'll be missing you. That's why I'm kissing you." "Flowers from the grave… I never loved you." Jennifer Charles and Mike Patton dressed in black.
Herb, Good Hygiene and Socks offers priceless advice from the godfather of hip-hop, Afrika Bambaataa, "Ummmm, that's a hard one to say. Wash your ass everyday; wash your whole body everyday. Brush your breath at least two or three times a day, with your teeth." Wisdom and sock etiquette ensue.
Nathaniel Merriweather aka Dan "The Automator" Nakamura's Lovage provides more than just Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By, it allows the listener a taste of what is possible when creativity is allowed to roam… even if it's randy as caged rabbit.
Review by jack "papa" baer - December 12th, 2001
©2001-2005 BIGBAER.com
Dan the Automator: Lovage, Wanna Buy a Monkey & Deltron 3030.
Lovage Lyrics: Music to Make Love to Your Old Lady By [Stroker Ace]
Nakamura wields samples, beats and scratches as if he were conducting the London Symphony Orchestra. Take for example the track Anger Management, which blends romantic strings and piano with Tom Jones styled vocals "…in all my dreams, I never thought I'd see a face that could launch a thousand ships… why must God punish me," and an Endless Summer/Summer of '42 refrain. Trust me, it works, "And can't you see, we could have had it all."
Everyone Has A Summer (they want to remember) features Kid Koala on the decks scratching masterfully to enhance, not over power. Sampled sound bytes from a Hollywood gone by, hip-hop breaks and subtle harmonica accompaniment set a mood that is both whimsical and entrancing.
In former times, lovage cordial was a popular drink with country people, who took it for sore throats. It is noted that John Gerarde, who wrote his Herbal in1597, considered lovage to be one of the wonder drugs at that time.
Book Of The Month: anyone who has ever been lucky enough to see the cult-classic movie Manhunter - the first in the Hannibal Lecter/Silence of the Lambs trilogy will remember the haunting scene where the troubled loner, antagonist Francis Dollarhyde (Tom Noonan) lies in bed with Reba McClane (Joan Allen). Reba is asleep with her arm embracing Dollarhyde after their night of intimacy, the scene is one of the best from the movie first because of its emotional impact (Dollarhyde has never known intimacy, hence his psychopathic search for love) and secondly because of the superb soundtrack.
Dollarhyde lies awake and taking Reba's hand, covers his mouth with it as tears well up in his eyes. He begins to sob: someone has finally shown him love. As the scene unfolds the musical score adds to the melodrama so effectively that even though Dollarhyde is a serial killer, there is so much sympathy evoked that it would be almost tempting to forgive him of his crimes. He just wants to be loved. Book of the Month nails it with the same chilling effect.
Lovage can be grown in a container. Make sure you keep it trimmed. Lovage, brandy and sugar settle an upset stomach…
Strangers On A Train: What can you say about a song that evokes a visual journey of a trans-European train trip set in a black & white movie? Jennifer Charles is at her best as the sultry traveler who introduces herself with "Pardon me sir, is this seat taken?" And then follows with "You are very charming sir… The stiff one is my specialty."
Add to this a very competent cover of Berlin's Sex (I'm A), the soothing strings of Koala's Lament and the darkly erotic, gothic Archie & Veronica, "Flowers from the grave (I never loved you)… little buttercups and wild daisies by the lily pond remember baby…" "Sitting on a cold slab, feeling my warm stab, you know I'll be missing you. That's why I'm kissing you." "Flowers from the grave… I never loved you." Jennifer Charles and Mike Patton dressed in black.
Herb, Good Hygiene and Socks offers priceless advice from the godfather of hip-hop, Afrika Bambaataa, "Ummmm, that's a hard one to say. Wash your ass everyday; wash your whole body everyday. Brush your breath at least two or three times a day, with your teeth." Wisdom and sock etiquette ensue.
Nathaniel Merriweather aka Dan "The Automator" Nakamura's Lovage provides more than just Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By, it allows the listener a taste of what is possible when creativity is allowed to roam… even if it's randy as caged rabbit.
Review by jack "papa" baer - December 12th, 2001
©2001-2005 BIGBAER.com
Dan the Automator: Lovage, Wanna Buy a Monkey & Deltron 3030.
Lovage Lyrics: Music to Make Love to Your Old Lady By [Stroker Ace]
"Make Love, Not Warcraft"Q&A with Frank Agnone, J.J. Franzen, and Eric Stough.
South Park recently aired an episode involving World of Warcraft in which half of the show featured custom machinima footage. Machinima.com was given access to key members of the animation staff in order to find out more about the creative process behind the episode.
Joining us are Frank Agnone, Producer; J. J. Franzen, Technology Supervisor; and Eric Stough, Director of Animation.
Question: What on Earth inspired you to do a World of Warcraft episode - especially using actual footage from the game?
J.J. Franzen: Well, as it is with a lot of the ideas for the show, the idea came from Trey Parker. We first heard about it late November of last year, when all the leads were called into the conference room for a meeting. This usually does NOT happen, so we knew something was up. That's were Trey dropped the bomb that he wanted to do an episode about a MMO, and he wanted the in-game stuff to be full 3D, not the 2.5 D that defines the normal South Park look. And he wanted it to be the 7th, and last episode, of the current run. We had just finished the 5th episode of the run, episode 912 - Trapped In the Closet. That would have given us roughly 2 weeks to do the episode, not to mention we'd still have to produce a 6th episode while working on it. It was pretty much unanimous that we could not possibly develop, model, texture, rig, and light several MMO style locations and characters in 2 weeks. Even we have our limitations.
Since Trey had mentioned WoW as the type of game he was referring to, I mentioned the possibility of trying to shoot the in-game stuff actually in-game. I'd been following machinima off and on for years, and knew people were getting some decent results out of WoW. To give Trey an example of what was possible, I showed him The Return. That was enough to convince him to have us give it a shot. So, we called Blizzard, and since they are fairly nearby asked if they could send some folks out and help us do a test. They were very excited by the idea and sent over 3 people with a GM client and we shot some test footage. We tried to match a scene from our Anime episode to see what kind of challenges we'd be up against. The biggest problem that we found was that Trey wanted to have exact lipsynch and a great deal more expressiveness and acting out of the characters then was really possible using in-game emotes. So, the episode was tabled with the idea that we'd probably have to develop everything ourselves in order to get the level of detail and expressiveness that Trey required.
Eric Stough: The idea of doing a World of Warcraft show came from Trey pacing around our office. When he's stuck on a show or is thinking through an idea he paces around the cubicles. One day about a year ago he was walking around and noticed about half the staff playing World of Warcraft. Junichi, his friend from college who animates for us is an expert at it. Trey then bounced around the idea of the four boys getting destroyed by some guy in California.
Q: What inspired the storyline? Naturally it's taken to an extreme like all South Park comedy, but how did this particular story start and evolve?
ES: Junichi's (Junichi Nishimura) addiction was the inspiration for the show. In between animating shots for SouthPark, Jun is always playing Warcraft. For years it was Diablo. We would all tease him about having no life. One day he moved on to warcraft and now in the game, he walks around and helps players out giving them spells and weapons. At one point we were going to have the four boys become so intimidated by Jun that they were going to travel to California and blow up his character's computer. We almost did that to Jun when he was playing Diablo. We were going to toss his computer off a cliff.
Q: How were the custom animations created? How were they used inside of World of Warcraft - were they imported back into the game? What hardware/software did you use?
JJ: When Trey started thinking about how he wanted to start off the current run of episodes, he really wanted to do something big, and new. So, the idea of the "video game show" as we were calling it, resurfaced. We had a production meeting at Trey's house on Friday, Sept. 1st, and went over all the experiments and design work we had done to date. Once again, the idea was brought up of using WoW to shoot the in-game footage, with the added possibility of re-creating the characters in Maya, the 3D animation program we use to produce the show, in order to do close ups with full lipsynch and facial expressions. I mentioned that Blizzard had been very eager to help us when we ran our initial tests, so perhaps they'd be willing to let us use their own character models as well, which would save us a great deal of time and effort. All we would have to do then is re-rig the faces so we could animate them to the degree needed.
Eventually, it was decided that we would push forward in both directions, starting to model our own characters as well as contacting Blizzard and seeing how interested they would be in participating. We met with several people from Blizzard on Thursday, the 7th of Sept. and it became obvious that they were extremely eager to make this happen, and seemed willing to do whatever they could to make sure it did. Luckily, they also use Maya to do their in-game character animation, which meant we would be able to just grab their files and go, in theory. So, we asked them for a couple of their Maya character rigs to test with. Less then 7 hours later, we had male and female models for every race in the game, all fully rigged with every single animation cycle already assigned. It was exactly what we needed to get started.
After that, we started the actual design process were Trey decided what each of our character's in-game characters would look like. Once we had that all figured out, Blizzard sent us Maya files matching those designs exactly, as well as set up accounts for us that had those same characters set up and equipped to match. So, we basically ended up with in-game and Maya versions of the exact same characters which allowed us to cut back and forth between in game footage, and footage we animated and rendered ourselves.
ES: The NWBZ PWNR with his head bashed in was really the only thing we needed to create and that too was modeled and rendered in Maya with image plane backgrounds taken directly from the game.
Q: What was Tristan Pope's role in the creation of this episode?
JJ: Tristan was our primary "camera man". He operated the system that did the actual video capture and whenever you see the camera moving, more then likely it's Tristan's fingers making it go. As for the rest of the "team", here's the credit list from Blizzard for that episode. All these people were involved in making the episode a reality:
Chris Luckenbach, Corey Pelton, Joeyray Hall, Tristan Pope, Terran Gregory, Joanna Cleland-Jolly, Brandan Vanderpool, Shane Dabiri, Robert Foote, Lee Sparks, Carman Cheung, Mauricio Hoffman, Steve Aguilar, Jason Zirpolo, Bob Colayco, Lisa Jensen, Justin Thavirat, Joe Rumsey, John Cash, Alex Tsang, Jesse Blomberg, Matt Samia, Nick Carpenter, Mike Morhaime, Frank Pearce, Paul Sams, Chris Metzen, Rob Pardo
FA: Tristan Pope played a very big role with all of the in game footage that we shot. Tristan was kind of the assistant director to Trey. Trey would block and stage the action that he wanted to get out of the scene with Tristan. Tristan would then walk the Blizzard crew through it and do a couple of tests before Trey would call out "action". Tristan had a tough job because he was taking orders from Trey, Matt, Eric myself. Tristan was awesome.
Q: How long did it take to capture, puppeteer, and edit all the WOW footage?
JJ: Uhm... A really really long time. We decided early on to treat the in-game capture sessions as regular film shoots. Our "set" ended up being the lobby of the studio we produce South Park in. We rented 12 PCs, set up a bunch of folding tables, and were basically good to go. I decided that it would be best to capture on a Mac, since we would be able to capture directly to a quicktime file, which would make getting the captured footage onto the editing system a lot quicker. So, I hauled my shiny new MacPro out into the lobby and spent the next two weeks in a much bigger, if less private, new office. We had 5 "shoot" days, the first on the 20th of Sept. which lasted about 3-5 hours. The next was on the 26th of Sept. which also lasted about 4-5 hours., and then we shot almost every other day up to the last few days of production Monday and Tuesday were full days, with the last day going from 10am Tuesday morning to around 3am Wednesday morning the 3rd of Oct,, the day the episode aired. We have been producing our episodes in this fashion for years, routinely finishing within 12 hours of the episode going on the air. One of the neat things about the process was since we were capturing on a Mac with SnapzPro, we were able to output a quicktime file that then could immediately be imported into our AVIDs for editing. So, Trey would shoot for an hour or so, and then cut what he just shot right into the show to see how it was working. If he liked it, we moved on, if he didn't we re-shot. It was all very dynamic and fast paced... Shooting the in-game scenes seemed like a natural extension to our normal process as it allowed for the same rapid iteration and experimentation that have become integral to the South Park way.
Q: What kinds of problems did you run into during the WOW filming? Do you have any funny stories of quirks or goofing off or things gone wrong or just not working?
JJ: Oh there were several little glitches we ran into. Everything from lag, to having random players walk into the area we were shooting in (we shot on the Burning Crusade alpha server...), the all-too-frequent stuttering frame in the captured footage, to even tripping breakers because we had too many computers on one power strip. There were lots of moments of wackiness as well as the Blizzard folks got to show off just how well they knew their game. One moment that sticks out to me is looking at the capture computer and seeing a gnome female filling the frame. I though, "Wow, she's really close to camera". Then she started to move and I realized she was actually very far away and was about 150 feet tall. Was definitely a moment of "Whaaaa?"
ES: The tough part was trying to get the in game characters to "act". They are limited and stiff. For example, it was hard to get them to stop on their mark. Trey said it was a lot like working with the puppets on Team America. He swore he would never do that again...and once again, but this time he was working with computer puppets. He still says it's better than working with actors. As for goofing around, the game players would have to wait awhile in between takes so they would challenge each other to duels and tell each other to go screw off by using game chat. They would break into dance and balance themselves on top of fences.
FA: Just to give you an example of how easy our relationship with Blizzard was, Trey had written new new pages just a couple of days before air that had Stan's dad, Randy came across this Uber sword that was the answer to killing our villain. Later that day the Blizzard crew was in working with us so we approached them about swords and of course they had exactly what Trey wanted. Ask and we shall receive.
Q: Did the same production/animation team work on the WOW footage or was there a separate team for the WOW footage? If separate, how was that team structured?
JJ: Yes, the same animators and technical directors who work on our regular shots also got to work on the WoW stuff that we rendered ourselves. They all seemed to enjoy the change of pace. The South Park style is very specific and unique, so it was refreshing to be working in true 3D, using IK, and all the other goodies we normally have no need for.
FA: It was our entire South Park staff that worked on the WOW footage. We had some experts on staff that are WOW players. We even used some of our guys to shoot the in game footage. There were a couple of times that we needed a few extra players for the shoot so we pulled a few of our animators to sit in and play. Needless to say they were so excited.
Q: How would you compare making South Park's traditional animation with making machinima "animation"? Was one method easier than the other, or more interesting, or...?
JJ: Well, as Trey said when we wrapped up the last "shoot", this is definitely where animation is headed. I know that there were frustrations, but most of them were mere technical limitations that can and hopefully will be addressed in the future. Things like the ability to record an individual character's performance, and then have that character give the exact same performance each take would have been very useful because that way the performances could be treated almost like sound channels in an audio mixing program or video clips in an editing system. The ability to have full control over every single aspect of what is being seen in frame has got to be any director's ultimate dream. Combine that with the extreme flexibility of a virtual environment, and there quite literally is no limit to what could be done...
ES: The set up for machinima animation takes a lot longer. Originally we were going to try to produce our own video game that the South Park characters play. But we usually produce South Park in a week and there's just no time to create our own backgrounds, props and characters. We were so relieved we could use the warcraft world to tell our story.
FA: It was different for us to tackle the 3D animation shots versus the traditional 2D animation stuff that we do. It took three full weeks of production to produce the WOW episode and it takes us six day normally to put a South Park episode on the air. It is much easier to produce South Park style animation than the Machinima animation. Although if you gave us some time to figure it out, I'm sure we could. We have the fastest crew in Hollywood.
Q: How did you set up the independent server? How did you get permission and assistance from Blizzard to do this?
JJ: We didn't have to set up our own server. Blizzard was kind enough to let us use the alpha server for their upcoming Burning Crusade expansion, so not only did we have a fairly controlled environment, we also got a sneak peek at the new goodies!
ES: The Blizzard team gave us a special "friends and family" server to play on. Every once an a while a strange player would walk by and check out group the filming. The programmers could instantly kill a player that got in the way of filming. There's a player out there wondering what they had stumbled upon just before they were wiped from the location.
Q: Who determined how the characters would look in the game? For example, who decided Cartman would be the dwarf and Kenny the S&M-looking dude? Or should I say, why did the kids choose those particular avatars for themselves?
JJ: That was all Trey. He sat down with Tristan and the WoW Model Viewer and they just hammered it out. Trey would have a specific look he wanted, like Stan being a knight, and then they would just browse through the models and find something that Trey liked. All the "main" characters were specified by Trey. The rest of the background characters I made by just hitting randomize until I saw something I liked.
ES: Trey sat with the Blizzard team for about an hour and had free reign with the characters. We tried best to pick out close colors and match funny personas between our characters and the Warcraft characters. Kenny was the hardest. We wanted to find a character that had something that muffled his voice. Every character reminded us too much of the character we used in our anime show so we decided to go with something different. We made him the Hunter whose mouth was visible but we thought it was funny that his voice would still be muffled through his computer's microphone.
Q: Why would the kids choose to be Alliance rather than Horde?
JJ: Well, one thing that Trey had always been definite about was to have Cartman be a dwarf. It just fit too well to not have it. So, that automatically made everyone Alliance so they could be all playing together...
ES: We figured it was easier for our audience to relate to the alliance characters. Especially the fans who don't know what World of Warcraft is.
Q: Is everyone on the staff addicted to WOW now?
JJ: Actually, several of our staff were already addicted long before the idea of the episode was even brought up. I'm sure Trey walking around and seeing it being played all over the place helped a little in the inspiration for the episode. I personally had stopped playing WoW almost a year ago, but am now once again hooked. My paladin, Piousity, just hit level 43!
ES: I think 75% of our office is addicted to the game. Me and the rest of crew stick with Hello Kitty Island adventure. It gives us more of a chance at having a "life".
Q: Is there more machinima in the future of South Park? Perhaps a little GTA or something ultra-violent?
JJ: Only Matt and Trey could answer that. They are the driving force behind the show and everything starts and ends with them. So, maybe, maybe not It all depends on the story they want to tell. From my point of view, things will only get better in the Machinima world and an eventual merging of the two is completely inevitable.
ES: We'll continue making shows about games. Everyone here loves to play games and we're excited about the new platforms coming out. Hopefully a South Park GAME will come up that the fans can have fun with.
FA: You never know. Now that we have pulled off the impossible production wise, it gives Matt and Trey room to branch off as far as stories go. We will see what the future brings.
Joining us are Frank Agnone, Producer; J. J. Franzen, Technology Supervisor; and Eric Stough, Director of Animation.
Question: What on Earth inspired you to do a World of Warcraft episode - especially using actual footage from the game?
J.J. Franzen: Well, as it is with a lot of the ideas for the show, the idea came from Trey Parker. We first heard about it late November of last year, when all the leads were called into the conference room for a meeting. This usually does NOT happen, so we knew something was up. That's were Trey dropped the bomb that he wanted to do an episode about a MMO, and he wanted the in-game stuff to be full 3D, not the 2.5 D that defines the normal South Park look. And he wanted it to be the 7th, and last episode, of the current run. We had just finished the 5th episode of the run, episode 912 - Trapped In the Closet. That would have given us roughly 2 weeks to do the episode, not to mention we'd still have to produce a 6th episode while working on it. It was pretty much unanimous that we could not possibly develop, model, texture, rig, and light several MMO style locations and characters in 2 weeks. Even we have our limitations.
Since Trey had mentioned WoW as the type of game he was referring to, I mentioned the possibility of trying to shoot the in-game stuff actually in-game. I'd been following machinima off and on for years, and knew people were getting some decent results out of WoW. To give Trey an example of what was possible, I showed him The Return. That was enough to convince him to have us give it a shot. So, we called Blizzard, and since they are fairly nearby asked if they could send some folks out and help us do a test. They were very excited by the idea and sent over 3 people with a GM client and we shot some test footage. We tried to match a scene from our Anime episode to see what kind of challenges we'd be up against. The biggest problem that we found was that Trey wanted to have exact lipsynch and a great deal more expressiveness and acting out of the characters then was really possible using in-game emotes. So, the episode was tabled with the idea that we'd probably have to develop everything ourselves in order to get the level of detail and expressiveness that Trey required.
Eric Stough: The idea of doing a World of Warcraft show came from Trey pacing around our office. When he's stuck on a show or is thinking through an idea he paces around the cubicles. One day about a year ago he was walking around and noticed about half the staff playing World of Warcraft. Junichi, his friend from college who animates for us is an expert at it. Trey then bounced around the idea of the four boys getting destroyed by some guy in California.
Q: What inspired the storyline? Naturally it's taken to an extreme like all South Park comedy, but how did this particular story start and evolve?
ES: Junichi's (Junichi Nishimura) addiction was the inspiration for the show. In between animating shots for SouthPark, Jun is always playing Warcraft. For years it was Diablo. We would all tease him about having no life. One day he moved on to warcraft and now in the game, he walks around and helps players out giving them spells and weapons. At one point we were going to have the four boys become so intimidated by Jun that they were going to travel to California and blow up his character's computer. We almost did that to Jun when he was playing Diablo. We were going to toss his computer off a cliff.
Q: How were the custom animations created? How were they used inside of World of Warcraft - were they imported back into the game? What hardware/software did you use?
JJ: When Trey started thinking about how he wanted to start off the current run of episodes, he really wanted to do something big, and new. So, the idea of the "video game show" as we were calling it, resurfaced. We had a production meeting at Trey's house on Friday, Sept. 1st, and went over all the experiments and design work we had done to date. Once again, the idea was brought up of using WoW to shoot the in-game footage, with the added possibility of re-creating the characters in Maya, the 3D animation program we use to produce the show, in order to do close ups with full lipsynch and facial expressions. I mentioned that Blizzard had been very eager to help us when we ran our initial tests, so perhaps they'd be willing to let us use their own character models as well, which would save us a great deal of time and effort. All we would have to do then is re-rig the faces so we could animate them to the degree needed.
Eventually, it was decided that we would push forward in both directions, starting to model our own characters as well as contacting Blizzard and seeing how interested they would be in participating. We met with several people from Blizzard on Thursday, the 7th of Sept. and it became obvious that they were extremely eager to make this happen, and seemed willing to do whatever they could to make sure it did. Luckily, they also use Maya to do their in-game character animation, which meant we would be able to just grab their files and go, in theory. So, we asked them for a couple of their Maya character rigs to test with. Less then 7 hours later, we had male and female models for every race in the game, all fully rigged with every single animation cycle already assigned. It was exactly what we needed to get started.
After that, we started the actual design process were Trey decided what each of our character's in-game characters would look like. Once we had that all figured out, Blizzard sent us Maya files matching those designs exactly, as well as set up accounts for us that had those same characters set up and equipped to match. So, we basically ended up with in-game and Maya versions of the exact same characters which allowed us to cut back and forth between in game footage, and footage we animated and rendered ourselves.
ES: The NWBZ PWNR with his head bashed in was really the only thing we needed to create and that too was modeled and rendered in Maya with image plane backgrounds taken directly from the game.
Q: What was Tristan Pope's role in the creation of this episode?
JJ: Tristan was our primary "camera man". He operated the system that did the actual video capture and whenever you see the camera moving, more then likely it's Tristan's fingers making it go. As for the rest of the "team", here's the credit list from Blizzard for that episode. All these people were involved in making the episode a reality:
Chris Luckenbach, Corey Pelton, Joeyray Hall, Tristan Pope, Terran Gregory, Joanna Cleland-Jolly, Brandan Vanderpool, Shane Dabiri, Robert Foote, Lee Sparks, Carman Cheung, Mauricio Hoffman, Steve Aguilar, Jason Zirpolo, Bob Colayco, Lisa Jensen, Justin Thavirat, Joe Rumsey, John Cash, Alex Tsang, Jesse Blomberg, Matt Samia, Nick Carpenter, Mike Morhaime, Frank Pearce, Paul Sams, Chris Metzen, Rob Pardo
FA: Tristan Pope played a very big role with all of the in game footage that we shot. Tristan was kind of the assistant director to Trey. Trey would block and stage the action that he wanted to get out of the scene with Tristan. Tristan would then walk the Blizzard crew through it and do a couple of tests before Trey would call out "action". Tristan had a tough job because he was taking orders from Trey, Matt, Eric myself. Tristan was awesome.
Q: How long did it take to capture, puppeteer, and edit all the WOW footage?
JJ: Uhm... A really really long time. We decided early on to treat the in-game capture sessions as regular film shoots. Our "set" ended up being the lobby of the studio we produce South Park in. We rented 12 PCs, set up a bunch of folding tables, and were basically good to go. I decided that it would be best to capture on a Mac, since we would be able to capture directly to a quicktime file, which would make getting the captured footage onto the editing system a lot quicker. So, I hauled my shiny new MacPro out into the lobby and spent the next two weeks in a much bigger, if less private, new office. We had 5 "shoot" days, the first on the 20th of Sept. which lasted about 3-5 hours. The next was on the 26th of Sept. which also lasted about 4-5 hours., and then we shot almost every other day up to the last few days of production Monday and Tuesday were full days, with the last day going from 10am Tuesday morning to around 3am Wednesday morning the 3rd of Oct,, the day the episode aired. We have been producing our episodes in this fashion for years, routinely finishing within 12 hours of the episode going on the air. One of the neat things about the process was since we were capturing on a Mac with SnapzPro, we were able to output a quicktime file that then could immediately be imported into our AVIDs for editing. So, Trey would shoot for an hour or so, and then cut what he just shot right into the show to see how it was working. If he liked it, we moved on, if he didn't we re-shot. It was all very dynamic and fast paced... Shooting the in-game scenes seemed like a natural extension to our normal process as it allowed for the same rapid iteration and experimentation that have become integral to the South Park way.
Q: What kinds of problems did you run into during the WOW filming? Do you have any funny stories of quirks or goofing off or things gone wrong or just not working?
JJ: Oh there were several little glitches we ran into. Everything from lag, to having random players walk into the area we were shooting in (we shot on the Burning Crusade alpha server...), the all-too-frequent stuttering frame in the captured footage, to even tripping breakers because we had too many computers on one power strip. There were lots of moments of wackiness as well as the Blizzard folks got to show off just how well they knew their game. One moment that sticks out to me is looking at the capture computer and seeing a gnome female filling the frame. I though, "Wow, she's really close to camera". Then she started to move and I realized she was actually very far away and was about 150 feet tall. Was definitely a moment of "Whaaaa?"
ES: The tough part was trying to get the in game characters to "act". They are limited and stiff. For example, it was hard to get them to stop on their mark. Trey said it was a lot like working with the puppets on Team America. He swore he would never do that again...and once again, but this time he was working with computer puppets. He still says it's better than working with actors. As for goofing around, the game players would have to wait awhile in between takes so they would challenge each other to duels and tell each other to go screw off by using game chat. They would break into dance and balance themselves on top of fences.
FA: Just to give you an example of how easy our relationship with Blizzard was, Trey had written new new pages just a couple of days before air that had Stan's dad, Randy came across this Uber sword that was the answer to killing our villain. Later that day the Blizzard crew was in working with us so we approached them about swords and of course they had exactly what Trey wanted. Ask and we shall receive.
Q: Did the same production/animation team work on the WOW footage or was there a separate team for the WOW footage? If separate, how was that team structured?
JJ: Yes, the same animators and technical directors who work on our regular shots also got to work on the WoW stuff that we rendered ourselves. They all seemed to enjoy the change of pace. The South Park style is very specific and unique, so it was refreshing to be working in true 3D, using IK, and all the other goodies we normally have no need for.
FA: It was our entire South Park staff that worked on the WOW footage. We had some experts on staff that are WOW players. We even used some of our guys to shoot the in game footage. There were a couple of times that we needed a few extra players for the shoot so we pulled a few of our animators to sit in and play. Needless to say they were so excited.
Q: How would you compare making South Park's traditional animation with making machinima "animation"? Was one method easier than the other, or more interesting, or...?
JJ: Well, as Trey said when we wrapped up the last "shoot", this is definitely where animation is headed. I know that there were frustrations, but most of them were mere technical limitations that can and hopefully will be addressed in the future. Things like the ability to record an individual character's performance, and then have that character give the exact same performance each take would have been very useful because that way the performances could be treated almost like sound channels in an audio mixing program or video clips in an editing system. The ability to have full control over every single aspect of what is being seen in frame has got to be any director's ultimate dream. Combine that with the extreme flexibility of a virtual environment, and there quite literally is no limit to what could be done...
ES: The set up for machinima animation takes a lot longer. Originally we were going to try to produce our own video game that the South Park characters play. But we usually produce South Park in a week and there's just no time to create our own backgrounds, props and characters. We were so relieved we could use the warcraft world to tell our story.
FA: It was different for us to tackle the 3D animation shots versus the traditional 2D animation stuff that we do. It took three full weeks of production to produce the WOW episode and it takes us six day normally to put a South Park episode on the air. It is much easier to produce South Park style animation than the Machinima animation. Although if you gave us some time to figure it out, I'm sure we could. We have the fastest crew in Hollywood.
Q: How did you set up the independent server? How did you get permission and assistance from Blizzard to do this?
JJ: We didn't have to set up our own server. Blizzard was kind enough to let us use the alpha server for their upcoming Burning Crusade expansion, so not only did we have a fairly controlled environment, we also got a sneak peek at the new goodies!
ES: The Blizzard team gave us a special "friends and family" server to play on. Every once an a while a strange player would walk by and check out group the filming. The programmers could instantly kill a player that got in the way of filming. There's a player out there wondering what they had stumbled upon just before they were wiped from the location.
Q: Who determined how the characters would look in the game? For example, who decided Cartman would be the dwarf and Kenny the S&M-looking dude? Or should I say, why did the kids choose those particular avatars for themselves?
JJ: That was all Trey. He sat down with Tristan and the WoW Model Viewer and they just hammered it out. Trey would have a specific look he wanted, like Stan being a knight, and then they would just browse through the models and find something that Trey liked. All the "main" characters were specified by Trey. The rest of the background characters I made by just hitting randomize until I saw something I liked.
ES: Trey sat with the Blizzard team for about an hour and had free reign with the characters. We tried best to pick out close colors and match funny personas between our characters and the Warcraft characters. Kenny was the hardest. We wanted to find a character that had something that muffled his voice. Every character reminded us too much of the character we used in our anime show so we decided to go with something different. We made him the Hunter whose mouth was visible but we thought it was funny that his voice would still be muffled through his computer's microphone.
Q: Why would the kids choose to be Alliance rather than Horde?
JJ: Well, one thing that Trey had always been definite about was to have Cartman be a dwarf. It just fit too well to not have it. So, that automatically made everyone Alliance so they could be all playing together...
ES: We figured it was easier for our audience to relate to the alliance characters. Especially the fans who don't know what World of Warcraft is.
Q: Is everyone on the staff addicted to WOW now?
JJ: Actually, several of our staff were already addicted long before the idea of the episode was even brought up. I'm sure Trey walking around and seeing it being played all over the place helped a little in the inspiration for the episode. I personally had stopped playing WoW almost a year ago, but am now once again hooked. My paladin, Piousity, just hit level 43!
ES: I think 75% of our office is addicted to the game. Me and the rest of crew stick with Hello Kitty Island adventure. It gives us more of a chance at having a "life".
Q: Is there more machinima in the future of South Park? Perhaps a little GTA or something ultra-violent?
JJ: Only Matt and Trey could answer that. They are the driving force behind the show and everything starts and ends with them. So, maybe, maybe not It all depends on the story they want to tell. From my point of view, things will only get better in the Machinima world and an eventual merging of the two is completely inevitable.
ES: We'll continue making shows about games. Everyone here loves to play games and we're excited about the new platforms coming out. Hopefully a South Park GAME will come up that the fans can have fun with.
FA: You never know. Now that we have pulled off the impossible production wise, it gives Matt and Trey room to branch off as far as stories go. We will see what the future brings.
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